LoO's Vodka Experimenting

Law_Of_Ohms · 20 July 2014 12:50AM

This discussion was created from comments split from: The Big Vodka Thread.

Law_Of_Ohms · 21 June 2014 07:05AM

Finally making a Vodka wash again, Its cold now outside, so will have to ferment in the second bedroom. (haha)

26L  Batch  
 5kg Sugar (boiled for 20min with 5g of citric acid)  
50g  Bakers yeast (hydrated with 500ml walm water for 15min)  
50g  of DAP  
50g  of Lallemand GO-FERM PROTECT  
 5g  of Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom Salt)

From my beer making experience lately, that is still a lot of yeast to use.

Aiming for a 10 to 11% abv wash.

Law_Of_Ohms · 21 June 2014 12:42PM

Oh wow, thats already fizzing crazy!

Moonshine · 21 June 2014 12:59PM

Fermenting in the master bedroom, nice! \m/

Law_Of_Ohms · 28 June 2014 12:11AM

Its been 1 week, down to 1.038, so not very fast....

Law_Of_Ohms · 29 June 2014 01:32AM

I've put the fermenter under our clothes drying 'tent' 18c is way too cold for this yeast to be active its getting slower and slower... 22 to 24c would be much better

cooperville · 1 July 2014 12:46PM

when i was in japan i was using electric blankets i could get a god one for 25 bux and just hook it up to my stc 1000 and away she went because it was always cold i dint have a need for the cooling side of things which makes it aot cheaper as too to cool a large ferment make s things a bit harder i have been looking at glycol chillers which looks to be the most economical method of chillin

cooperville · 1 July 2014 12:51PM

for my fridge fermentor i place the lecky blanket in the bottom of the fridge and have the stc 1000 connected to fridge and blanket this way i can control the temp of the fridge down to a degree no problems works a treat

Law_Of_Ohms · 4 July 2014 10:55PM

Two weeks in and we are @ 1.020 :( Time to try something else. Time to try heating the wort

Law_Of_Ohms · 4 July 2014 11:04PM

On that note, thanks to eBay I have:

Glutamine
Carnitine
BCAA 4:1:1
- Leucine
- Isoleuicine
- Valine
- Lecithine
AAKG 2:1
- Arginine Alpha Ketoglutrarate (2:1) Dihydrate
Micronized Creatine Monohydrate

After googling all of these with "yeast" I mostly came across University papers and my eyes glazed over.....

Influence of valine and other amino acids on total diacetyl and 2,3-pentanedione levels during fermentation of brewer's wort.

I guess someone has to do some experimenting....

My aim here is not to make a 'TURBO' yeast, but to have a clean mash to make a clean vodka in a reasonable amount of time to ferment. I think that would be 1 week?

Pretty slide show here...

Understanding the impact of fermentation stresses on yeast fermentation - George van der Merwe - Associate Professor - CCOVI - May 2010 (PDF)

Law_Of_Ohms · 17 July 2014 08:37AM

Well I did the experiment with 2 grams all in. Used a electric nlanked to keep it at 26c it was done in three days and starting to clear!. Now to repeat the same experiment and document it much much better

Law_Of_Ohms · 19 July 2014 09:13PM

Ok, I put this down yesterday. side by side.

The one with the air lock is:

6 kg sugar
Left over yeast slurry boiled from first batch
dumped onto yeast slurry from second batch

the one with the plastic wrap is:

  6 kg sugar
100 g  DAP
100 g  bakers yeast
  5 g  of each of the body building stuff I got from eBay

Its gone nuts.. Thermal run away, it started at 24c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHqrq1JRjGU

Its down to 30c this morning.

Grudaire · 20 July 2014 11:56PM

@cunnyfunt said: Post it up Grudaire I enjoy your posts.

Only had the partial at home, I'm hoping I have a later rendition on a thumb drive at work. It will make your eyes gloss some though. But I will do my best.

Grudaire · 21 July 2014 12:02AM

@Law_Of_Ohms said: On that note, thanks to eBay I have:
1. Glutamine
2. Carnitine
3. BCAA 4:1:1
- Leucine
- Isoleuicine
- Valine
- Lecithine
4. AAKG 2:1
- Arginine Alpha Ketoglutrarate (2:1) Dihydrate
5. Micronized Creatine Monohydrate

After googling all of these with "yeast" I mostly came across University papers and my eyes glazed over.....
Influence of valine and other amino acids on total diacetyl and 2,3-pentanedione levels during fermentation of brewer's wort.
I guess someone has to do some experimenting....
My aim here is not to make a 'TURBO' yeast, but to have a clean mash to make a clean vodka in a reasonable amount of time to ferment. I think that would be 1 week?
Pretty slide show here...

Understanding the impact of fermentation stresses on yeast fermentation - George van der Merwe - Associate Professor - CCOVI - May 2010 (PDF)

I'm familiar with the bcaa, particularly for the valine and leucine; however you got me on the importance of the other nutrients, could you give me a quick rundown? Particularly the creatine, I would have never thought that to be useful for yeast, the must be pumping some serious iron :). That is a massive amount of yeast you used, is that common for distillers to use that much? Definitely a no no for beer.

Law_Of_Ohms · 21 July 2014 02:25AM

@Grudaire

My hypothesis was if its used for body building it cant hurt to try.... lol

Maybe I dont need any of the others! ??

Fiji_Spirits · 21 July 2014 05:56AM

hmmm this valine and leucine thing might be the answer to my butyrol smell. maybe i'm making too much diacetyl and adding some of these amino acids would reduce this somewhat.

Law_Of_Ohms · 21 July 2014 08:55AM

Just took a reading.

The wort was inoculated at ~10:30am on Saturday.
At 6:30pm today (monday night)
SG = 1.020, started at 1.088

Not bad for almost 2.5 days....

Lloyd · 21 July 2014 10:04AM

But that's about normal. Getting from 1.02 to 0.990 is the hard part.
I doubt you will have trouble since your yeasts get plenty of nutrition and exercise :D including body-building supplements (and stuff no one else uses).

I don't need medicine, darling, I just need a few shots of LoO's tonic to help me fight this cold. Its loaded with all kinds of stuff.

Law_Of_Ohms · 21 July 2014 11:30AM

oh man, I just drank some!...

Law_Of_Ohms · 23 July 2014 12:00AM

Measured this morning, down to 1.010

Law_Of_Ohms · 23 July 2014 11:45AM

down to 1.000 12 hours later, Added some extra DAP to help it finish off.

Law_Of_Ohms · 26 July 2014 03:29AM

Down to 1.00 for a few days now, Its been 1 week so that one was successful, its still very slowly fizzing away and I wont have time to run it this weekend so i'll let it sit for a few days then put it outside where its freezing cold atm and let the yeast come out of suspension.

On the flip side, the fermenter next to it, measured this morning and its stuck @ 1.080!!! very very very slow ferment. So I gave it another dose of yeast, tomato paste and some body building supplements. If that dont fix it, i'll dump it and bleach the damn fermenter, just in case.

I've moved a few comments over to the "The Big Vodka Thread" as they seemed more relevant over there.

Next I think I need to buy some more EC-1118 and try that, the 'ROIDS seem to work very well.

fnulnu · 28 July 2014 12:40AM

Hey loo, good discussion. That's a lot of supplements to keep track of. How did you come up with the list? Where are the b1 and b5vitamins? After reading your discussion and doing some reading I keep coming up with thiamene(b1) and pantothenate (b5). Thiamene for yeast energizer(vitamin) and pantothenate for rhino farts(sulpher gassing). I totally am into this thread, waiting stinks, if you can keep things healthy you will probably end up with a better product in the end in a shorter period of time. Did adding the yeast, tomato and supplements get things going?

Grudaire · 28 July 2014 04:46AM

Why not just use a commercial yeast energizer built to have what the yeast need, instead of trying to piece it together with ingredients and vitamins?

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